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Re: incomplete/corrupted setup.exe

George Barrick
                   2010.03.12.13:43:11 UT

Hi Corinna,

     I've tried a couple of different
browsers as well as 'wget' to pull the
setup.exe file.  I swear that I'm not
being an idiot.  I also went to a
sub-network here at our organization
that implements a different router, and
wound up with the same bad version of
the setup.exe file.

    Could it be that there is just
something wrong with the link on the
Cygwin web-site?  Perhaps it points
to the wrong object?

George                [hidden email]



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RE: incomplete/corrupted setup.exe

Jason Pyeron

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Behalf Of George Barrick
> Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 8:41
> Subject: Re: incomplete/corrupted setup.exe
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>                    2010.03.12.13:43:11 UT
>
> Hi Corinna,
>
>      I've tried a couple of different
> browsers as well as 'wget' to pull the
> setup.exe file.  I swear that I'm not

Url and md5sum/sha256sum?

> being an idiot.  I also went to a
> sub-network here at our organization
> that implements a different router, and
> wound up with the same bad version of
> the setup.exe file.
>
>     Could it be that there is just
> something wrong with the link on the
> Cygwin web-site?  Perhaps it points
> to the wrong object?
>
> George                [hidden email]
>
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RE: incomplete/corrupted setup.exe

Buchbinder, Barry (NIH/NIAID) [E]
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George Barrick sent the following at Friday, March 12, 2010 8:41 AM
>     I've tried a couple of different
>browsers as well as 'wget' to pull the setup.exe file. I swear that
>I'm not being an idiot. I also went to a sub-network here at our
>organization that implements a different router, and wound up with the
>same bad version of the setup.exe file.
>    Could it be that there is just
>
>something wrong with the link on the Cygwin web-site? Perhaps it points
>to the wrong object?

I just downloaded <http://cygwin.com/setup.exe>.  It worked fine it and
is identical to the setup that I've been using for the last 10 days.

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Re: incomplete/corrupted setup.exe

George Barrick
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                     2010.03.12.14:58:07 UT

Hi Jason,

     My md5sum for the bad version of
the file is:

ab9fd4fa13f38ed6e9086cfe4d6c7064 *setup.exe

The url was http://cygwin.com/setup.exe.

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Re: incomplete/corrupted setup.exe

Christopher Faylor-8
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On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 08:41:15AM -0500, George Barrick wrote:
>I've tried a couple of different browsers as well as 'wget' to pull the
>setup.exe file.  I swear that I'm not being an idiot.  I also went to a
>sub-network here at our organization that implements a different
>router, and wound up with the same bad version of the setup.exe file.
>
>Could it be that there is just something wrong with the link on the
>Cygwin web-site?  Perhaps it points to the wrong object?

Check the archives.  Cygwin is a popular project.  If the method used
to install it wasn't working there would be more than just a lone voice
complaining that setup.exe was broken.

cgf

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RE: incomplete/corrupted setup.exe

Jason Pyeron
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: George Barrick
> Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 9:57
> Subject: Re: incomplete/corrupted setup.exe
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>                      2010.03.12.14:58:07 UT
>
> Hi Jason,
>
>      My md5sum for the bad version of
> the file is:
>
> ab9fd4fa13f38ed6e9086cfe4d6c7064 *setup.exe

It should be

$ md5sum setup.exe
b5ae677d6e7ed856ce74bda303c1556b *setup.exe

Please try these 3 urls

http://cygwin.com/setup.exe?qww4032i498322398472398472389472389473249832749823
http://mirrors.pdinc.us/cygwin-htdocs/setup.exe
http://mirrors.pdinc.us/setup.exe.gz

$ md5sum setup.exe.gz
7ca5ea957b516699214a3bf9fca84f14  setup.exe.gz

I want to see if there is a transparent proxy caching or mangling the file, also
does it go into gzip files...

>
> The url was http://cygwin.com/setup.exe.
>
> George              [hidden email]
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Re: incomplete/corrupted setup.exe

George Barrick
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                     2010.03.12.18:32:08 UT

Hi Jason,

    I tried all three of the URL's that
you provided.  Both

http://mirrors.pdinc.us/setup.exe.gz
http://mirrors.pdinc.us/cygwin-htdocs/setup.exe

gave me a 'wget' process that seemed to
hang.  I had to kill it after a few minutes.
They both yielded files in my directory that
have the correct names, but are empty.

    The URL

http://cygwin.com/setup.exe?qww4032i498322398472398472389472389473249832749823

gave me a file of approximately 11.4 kBt.
I gave it a shorter name, and asked for an
md5sum:

$ md5sum setup.exe
f33b4c53b39485c1ecc528a95517534d *setup.exe

It is certainly not correct.

      I thought this morning that this was
some piddly problem that would go away soon,
but I am apparently mistaken.

      Can this be some kind of insidious
site-blocking that is being implemented by
the persons who manage network security for
my institution?  My only good test will be
tonight when I arrive home to try the download
from my DSL-network.

George                [hidden email]



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Re: incomplete/corrupted setup.exe

Larry Hall (Cygwin)
On 3/12/2010 1:33 PM, George Barrick wrote:
>        Can this be some kind of insidious
> site-blocking that is being implemented by
> the persons who manage network security for
> my institution?  My only good test will be
> tonight when I arrive home to try the download
> from my DSL-network.

Most likely some caching going on somewhere in your network
pipeline...

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A: Yes.
 > Q: Are you sure?
 >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation.
 >>> Q: Why is top posting annoying in email?

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Re: incomplete/corrupted setup.exe

George Barrick
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                   2010.03.12.18:53:51 UT

Hi Larry,

    O.K.  So that would be a 'backbone'
server in my region that caches the file,
but gets a corrupted version of it?

    In that circumstance, it is nothing
"insidious".  I just have to wait until
the offending file gets flushed from the
server.

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Re: incomplete/corrupted setup.exe

Larry Hall (Cygwin)
On 3/12/2010 1:51 PM, George Barrick wrote:
>                     2010.03.12.18:53:51 UT
>
> Hi Larry,
>
>      O.K.  So that would be a 'backbone'
> server in my region that caches the file,
> but gets a corrupted version of it?

Perhaps.  If it's not a local process that's
causing the problem, then a bad cached version
upstream is the likely cause.

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 > Q: Are you sure?
 >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation.
 >>> Q: Why is top posting annoying in email?

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Re: incomplete/corrupted setup.exe

Charles Wilson-2
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On 3/12/2010 10:04 AM, Christopher Faylor wrote:

> On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 08:41:15AM -0500, George Barrick wrote:
>> I've tried a couple of different browsers as well as 'wget' to pull the
>> setup.exe file.  I swear that I'm not being an idiot.  I also went to a
>> sub-network here at our organization that implements a different
>> router, and wound up with the same bad version of the setup.exe file.
>>
>> Could it be that there is just something wrong with the link on the
>> Cygwin web-site?  Perhaps it points to the wrong object?
>
> Check the archives.  Cygwin is a popular project.  If the method used
> to install it wasn't working there would be more than just a lone voice
> complaining that setup.exe was broken.

My corporate firewall decided a few months ago that setup.exe is
"suspicious" and has blocked all my attempts to download it.  (This is
obviously a mistake, since (a) setup.exe is not a "virus", and (b)
cygwin itself is already on the "approved product list" according to my
IT corporate masters).

However, rather than trouble their slumber, and since I already had
cygwin installed -- I just downloaded the source code instead via CVS
and built my own version.

Not really a solution for most people -- and dl/ing at home and just
using sneaker-net/thumb-drive would work fine, too. But I didn't want to
wait another day.

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Re: incomplete/corrupted setup.exe

G.W. Haywood
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Hi there,

Fifteen messages on this subject and counting.

How long would it take just to install a temporary symlink for the guy?

Something like

cygwin-setup-1.7-2010.03.14.exe

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Re: incomplete/corrupted setup.exe

George Barrick
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                        2010.03.14.11:50:56 EST

Hey Cygwin folks,

     You all have been very patient with me.
I guess that I _am_ an idiot, because it turns
out that it is my own university network that
is blocking that URL.  The problem had me at
a loss because of the sudden change in behavior.
That link had worked well for me for over
three years.

     It is not necessary to create an alternative
link just for me.  I think that I can manage to
get the file.  I would also like to point out,
that none of you are required to read all sixteen
of the messages in this thread.  If reading the
thread really is so painful to you, then you are
at your liberty to ignore the details of this
very sad story.

George                  [hidden email]

 

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RE: incomplete/corrupted setup.exe

Jason Pyeron

> -----Original Message-----
> From: George Barrick
> Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 11:45
> Subject: Re: incomplete/corrupted setup.exe
>
>
>                         2010.03.14.11:50:56 EST
>
> Hey Cygwin folks,
>
>      You all have been very patient with me.
> I guess that I _am_ an idiot, because it turns out that it is
> my own university network that is blocking that URL.  The

Just curious, what was the metric (reason) they were using to block it?

> problem had me at a loss because of the sudden change in behavior.
> That link had worked well for me for over three years.




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Re: incomplete/corrupted setup.exe

Dave Korn-6
On 14/03/2010 16:02, Jason Pyeron wrote:

>> Hey Cygwin folks,
>>
>>      You all have been very patient with me.
>> I guess that I _am_ an idiot, because it turns out that it is
>> my own university network that is blocking that URL.  The
>
> Just curious, what was the metric (reason) they were using to block it?

  I'm curious too, did you look in the corrupted file with notepad?  Was it an
error message of some sort?  And what happens if you try and fetch it with
'wget -S': are there any clues in the server response headers?

    cheers,
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Re: incomplete/corrupted setup.exe

George Barrick
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                2010.03.14.12:05:51 EST

Hi Jason,

      The notification said:

Blocked Reason: Spyware URL: Executable

I believe that my university is using a
filter supplied by a server-farm group
called Cymphonix.

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Re: incomplete/corrupted setup.exe

George Barrick
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                       2010.03.14.12:14:09 EST

Hello Cygwin,

       The output from 'wget -S' was:

$ wget -S http://cygwin.com/setup.exe
--2010-03-14 12:08:43--  http://cygwin.com/setup.exe
Resolving cygwin.com... 209.132.180.131
Connecting to cygwin.com|209.132.180.131|:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response...
  HTTP/1.0 200 OK
  Server: Web Filter Blocked Page
  Connection: close
  Content-Type: text/html
  Content-length: 11144
Length: 11144 (11K) [text/html]
Saving to: `setup.exe'

100%[=============================>] 11,144      --.-K/s   in 0s      

2010-03-14 12:08:43 (90.1 MB/s) - `setup.exe' saved [11144/11144]



     The setup.exe file that I received was actually a
web-page with some embedded scripts from the Cymphonix group.
They ask you to link to an e-mail page if you wish to report
a mis-characterized page or resource.

     I sent the e-mail, but I'm not expecting a response.
I've been through it before; they just ignore the requests.

George                     [hidden email]


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Re: incomplete/corrupted setup.exe

Christopher Faylor-8
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On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 11:12:42AM +0000, G.W. Haywood wrote:
>Hi there,
>
>Fifteen messages on this subject and counting.
>
>How long would it take just to install a temporary symlink for the guy?
>
>Something like
>
>cygwin-setup-1.7-2010.03.14.exe

You aren't thinking about the consequences of your suggestion.  It would
not scale.  What happens the next time there is a setup.exe update?  We
update the symlink too?  And if someone stops allowing the symlinked URL
we create a new one?  Do we need to keep the symlink around forever just
for this one person?  Do we offer this service to anyone who can't
download?

Plus, the way to fix a problem is to fix the problem not kludge around
it.  There was something wrong on the OP's end.  Finding out what was
wrong and fixing the problem is the way to make sure it won't happen
again.  There is no guarantee that creating a symlink would do that
(and judging by followon mail it probably wouldn't).

And, most importantly, WJM.

cgf

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Re: incomplete/corrupted setup.exe

Matthias Andree
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George Barrick wrote on 2010-03-14:

>
>                        2010.03.14.12:14:09 EST
>
> Hello Cygwin,
>
>        The output from 'wget -S' was:
>
> $ wget -S http://cygwin.com/setup.exe
> --2010-03-14 12:08:43--  http://cygwin.com/setup.exe
> Resolving cygwin.com... 209.132.180.131
> Connecting to cygwin.com|209.132.180.131|:80... connected.
> HTTP request sent, awaiting response...
>   HTTP/1.0 200 OK
>   Server: Web Filter Blocked Page

This is inconsistent and bogus.  Someone writing the filter software  
should read the HTTP standards.

The Proxy blocks the page yet returns HTTP/1.0 200 OK, but should use a  
code >= 400, I's think that 502 Bad Gateway and 403 Forbidden are the best  
choices here.

>      The setup.exe file that I received was actually a
> web-page with some embedded scripts from the Cymphonix group.
> They ask you to link to an e-mail page if you wish to report
> a mis-characterized page or resource.
>
>      I sent the e-mail, but I'm not expecting a response.
> I've been through it before; they just ignore the requests.

Then a complaint to those who are responsible for setting up or  
subscribing to this Cymphonix stuff might be in order, to tell them it's  
not working properly, and that it corrupts data.  Depending on exact  
circumstances and legislation, this may even be illegal.

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RE: incomplete/corrupted setup.exe

Jason Pyeron
In reply to this post by Christopher Faylor-8
 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Christopher Faylor
> Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 12:30
> Subject: Re: incomplete/corrupted setup.exe
>
> On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 11:12:42AM +0000, G.W. Haywood wrote:
> >Hi there,
> >
> >Fifteen messages on this subject and counting.
> >
> >How long would it take just to install a temporary symlink
> for the guy?
> >
> >Something like
> >
> >cygwin-setup-1.7-2010.03.14.exe
>
> You aren't thinking about the consequences of your
> suggestion.  It would not scale.  What happens the next time
> there is a setup.exe update?  We update the symlink too?  And
> if someone stops allowing the symlinked URL we create a new
> one?  Do we need to keep the symlink around forever just for
> this one person?  Do we offer this service to anyone who
> can't download?

While I agree whole heartedly, I do think the current naming scheme does have
its draw backs, and that it could out weigh the benefits of not changing.

Here is the proposal:

Name setup.exe as cygwin-setup-v.vv.vv.exe or similar meaning and continue to
provide setup.exe as the most current cygwin-setup-v.vv.vv.exe (by symlink or
redirect)

Just a few points to justify:

* Know which version of setup is being used.
* Know which program's setup is sitting on the desktop (or other lint collection
place)
* Avoid stupid heuristics matching base on file name (At the Navy Cygwin is
allowed but no one is allowed to execute files matching "setup.exe" but
cygwin.exe, sadasdasdfsa.exe or almost anything else is allowed.)
* Change management, that a user can observe.

A point against changing:

* No new effort

>
> And, most importantly, WJM.
>

I like mean.


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