[PATCH] Proposed clarification of the snapshot installation FAQ

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[PATCH] Proposed clarification of the snapshot installation FAQ

Igor Peshansky
As mentioned in <http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/2006-01/msg00537.html>,
here's a patch to the FAQ to clarify the section on installing snapshots.
I didn't know whether the various *.texinfo files are still used, so I
ported the modifications there as well, just in case.
The ChangeLog is below.
        Igor
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2006-01-11  Igor Peshansky  <[hidden email]>

        * faq-setup.xml (faq.setup.setup): Correct URL typo.
        (faq.setup.snapshots): Clarify.
        * install.texinfo (Contents): Correct URL typo.
        (How do I install snapshots): Clarify.

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Re: [PATCH] Proposed clarification of the snapshot installation FAQ

Joshua Daniel Franklin
On 1/11/06, Igor Peshansky wrote:
> As mentioned in <http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/2006-01/msg00537.html>,
> here's a patch to the FAQ to clarify the section on installing snapshots.
> I didn't know whether the various *.texinfo files are still used, so I
> ported the modifications there as well, just in case.

Applied to faq-setup.xml (the texinfo files are no longer used... I suppose I
should remove them). It would be nice to have a sample batch file that automated
the cygwin1.dll replacement, too.
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Re: [PATCH] Proposed clarification of the snapshot installation FAQ

Christopher Faylor-2
On Thu, Jan 12, 2006 at 07:57:27PM -0800, Joshua Daniel Franklin wrote:
>On 1/11/06, Igor Peshansky wrote:
>> As mentioned in <http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/2006-01/msg00537.html>,
>> here's a patch to the FAQ to clarify the section on installing snapshots.
>> I didn't know whether the various *.texinfo files are still used, so I
>> ported the modifications there as well, just in case.
>
>Applied to faq-setup.xml (the texinfo files are no longer used... I suppose I
>should remove them). It would be nice to have a sample batch file that automated
>the cygwin1.dll replacement, too.

I was hoping for a little more discussion about this.  I think Corinna and I
are both a little despondent over the fact that we have to be SUPER precise
about obvious things like when you say something like "cd /tmp" it means
that you should be doing it in a POSIX shell.  I have to wonder what kind
of useful feedback we'll get from people who can't figure this out.  I also
was going to caution against telling everyone to "try a snapshot" at the
first hint of trouble.  I don't think that this should be used as a panacea,
although I realize that the length of time since the last cygwin release has
made it attractive.

...but that's not an issue for this mailing list...

Nevertheless, the advice about using "mv" to rename cygwin1.dll won't work
on every version of Windows and needs to be changed.  I didn't read much
else besides that because I was just too depressed by the fact that the
current words were <quote>confusing</unquote>.

cgf
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Re: [PATCH] Proposed clarification of the snapshot installation FAQ

Igor Peshansky
On Thu, 12 Jan 2006, Christopher Faylor wrote:

> On Thu, Jan 12, 2006 at 07:57:27PM -0800, Joshua Daniel Franklin wrote:
> >On 1/11/06, Igor Peshansky wrote:
> >> As mentioned in <http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/2006-01/msg00537.html>,
> >> here's a patch to the FAQ to clarify the section on installing
> >> snapshots. I didn't know whether the various *.texinfo files are
> >> still used, so I ported the modifications there as well, just in
> >> case.
> >
> >Applied to faq-setup.xml

Thanks.

> >(the texinfo files are no longer used... I suppose I should remove
> >them).

Yes, please.

> >It would be nice to have a sample batch file that automated the
> >cygwin1.dll replacement, too.
>
> I was hoping for a little more discussion about this.  I think Corinna
> and I are both a little despondent over the fact that we have to be
> SUPER precise about obvious things like when you say something like "cd
> /tmp" it means that you should be doing it in a POSIX shell.  I have to
> wonder what kind of useful feedback we'll get from people who can't
> figure this out.  I also was going to caution against telling everyone
> to "try a snapshot" at the first hint of trouble.  I don't think that
> this should be used as a panacea, although I realize that the length of
> time since the last cygwin release has made it attractive.
>
> ...but that's not an issue for this mailing list...

Right.

> Nevertheless, the advice about using "mv" to rename cygwin1.dll won't
> work on every version of Windows and needs to be changed.

Hmm, it's worked for me on Win98, Win2k, and WinXP (though I suppose there
could be differences on, say, WinNT4 or something)...  I basically wanted
to avoid giving too many things to do in Windows Explorer.  But no matter
-- I'll submit a patch with this change shortly.

FWIW, I usually do "cd /bin && cygstart cmd", and then close the bash
shell and do the renaming in the CMD window.  However, I don't think this
particular set of instructions can rely on the presence of cygstart...

> I didn't read much else besides that because I was just too depressed by
> the fact that the current words were <quote>confusing</unquote>.

Sigh...  I'm sure there'll be complaints about my wording too.
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Re: [PATCH] Proposed clarification of the snapshot installation FAQ

Igor Peshansky
On Thu, 12 Jan 2006, Igor Peshansky wrote:

> On Thu, 12 Jan 2006, Christopher Faylor wrote:
>
> > Nevertheless, the advice about using "mv" to rename cygwin1.dll won't
> > work on every version of Windows and needs to be changed.
>
> Hmm, it's worked for me on Win98, Win2k, and WinXP (though I suppose
> there could be differences on, say, WinNT4 or something)...  I basically
> wanted to avoid giving too many things to do in Windows Explorer.  But
> no matter -- I'll submit a patch with this change shortly.

And here it is.
        Igor
==============================================================================
2006-01-12  Igor Peshansky  <[hidden email]>

        * faq-setup.xml (faq.setup.snapshots): Rename DLL using Windows tools.

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Re: [PATCH] Proposed clarification of the snapshot installation FAQ

Corinna Vinschen-2
On Jan 13 00:01, Igor Peshansky wrote:

> On Thu, 12 Jan 2006, Igor Peshansky wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 12 Jan 2006, Christopher Faylor wrote:
> >
> > > Nevertheless, the advice about using "mv" to rename cygwin1.dll won't
> > > work on every version of Windows and needs to be changed.
> >
> > Hmm, it's worked for me on Win98, Win2k, and WinXP (though I suppose
> > there could be differences on, say, WinNT4 or something)...  I basically
> > wanted to avoid giving too many things to do in Windows Explorer.  But
> > no matter -- I'll submit a patch with this change shortly.
>
> And here it is.
> Igor
> ==============================================================================
> 2006-01-12  Igor Peshansky  <[hidden email]>
>
> * faq-setup.xml (faq.setup.snapshots): Rename DLL using Windows tools.

Applied.


Thanks,
Corinna

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